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of hero

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paranormal podcast my name is ryan the

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original outlaw of the airwaves bringing

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so without further ado we're going to

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call nathan arizona

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who is our guest today we're going to

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just get into it we're not

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pitching anything because this guy's

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awesome and

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we're just gonna discuss all the things

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that we need to discuss which

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last time i checked there was a lot of

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them so here we go

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nathan is a great guy nathan arizona

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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my man

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how's it going you know i can't complain

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it's snowing in vegas

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and from a global warming standpoint

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that's like super good news i guess um

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but it is cold and that sucks so i can't

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really go out and do anything

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but i was super excited because hey i'm

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inside talking to you

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and i've been wanting to talk to you for

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a long time the last time i saw you

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there was like 200 people around us they

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all wanted to talk to you

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and you still made time to talk to me

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and i appreciate that

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um i wanted to delve into all kinds of

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stuff but why don't you tell our

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listeners a little bit about yourself

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and a question i ask

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all my guests is who is nathan arizona

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well i'm i'm a professional guide i do

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tours around the american southwest like

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a normal tour guide would i

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started out as a wilderness tour guide

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on the arizona strip

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just north of the grand canyon on the

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arizona strip

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uh it was one of the most isolated

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places in the lower 48 states and

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national geographic called the bed of

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the americas so

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i most of my 17 years of my career has

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interpretive guide you know doing tours

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around the southwest so

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my interest in ufos kind of took off

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when i witnessed

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my first major sighting in 2013 and had

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two more sightings after that between

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and i think that's kind of what set

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a festival that we formed up in southern

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utah which you've also been a supporter

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and a backer of and so we you know i've

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been kind of walking that walk

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just kind of after experiencing that

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sighting the first sighting firsthand it

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causes you to begin a journey down the

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which is not your typical reality

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in this field so you know you have you

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you're trying to make sense of something

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that's constantly exploited

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you know for for the mighty dollar and

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it makes you question the actual niche

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the phenomenon i don't question the

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phenomenon at all i believe it's real

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based on what i've experienced and we

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can't scientifically uh

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you know find a whole lot of evidence

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supporting it but we know that

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something's going on and that's why we

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so that's where i'm at right now i do

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area 51 tours i'm getting ready to take

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you know and that's going to be kind of

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difficult with the covet 19 restrictions

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lift those but i you know they've

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interesting experience it's the first

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it it might be the light at the end of

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the tunnel but maybe there's a train

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coming that's what that light is you

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i couldn't agree more uh nevada it's so

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it seems like we just do whatever

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california does but we wait a couple

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and um but i'm no specialist in politics

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so my my whole thing just comes from you

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and and i can't wait and your tours are

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in the intro i kind of explained how you

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uh have the people you have there travis

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walton goes every year

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it's really quite phenomenal and and i

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think that it will be back soon mask or

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somehow i think you're gonna make it

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happen or like we discussed maybe you'll

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make something happen in both places

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arizona and

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i think we're going to probably end up

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shooting for 2022 because i've talked to

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connie she's a friend of mine who is one

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of the owners of the little ailey inn

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out in rachel and you know i really went

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to her for some advice on what we should

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she basically said the legal liabilities

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associated with kobit would make our

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insurance policy for an event go clear

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to the roof so we probably

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an event this year so we're we're kind

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of it's still up in the air right now we

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don't know what we're doing yet but

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should assume that nothing

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and out of the woods is is a good way to

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put it because yeah you just don't

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know what's happening i mean you

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obviously have a lot better pulse on it

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than i do and i appreciate that

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um so kind of getting into something i

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want to discuss with you and something

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was some amazing history of your own

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family

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and really uh your mormon roots

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start because it's so hard

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it's so hard i know i know your grandpa

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grandfather ufos yeah like ufos and your

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and and possible connections to his

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mormon roots

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festivals if you have any specific

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questions let me know because i was

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it was awesome discussion let's go with

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your grandpa and kind of go

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from there because that's kind of where

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my gut tells me to start and i think

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that's the place to start

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okay my grandpa has always he spent

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his life out in the hills he he was

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going down mine shops when he was a kid

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he was sneaking out of his house in the

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middle of the night uh going out and

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you know venturing out he ran a mining

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company up in utah we had about 300

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gold in these old spanish diggings that

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spanish diggings you know when you hear

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they're they're they're they're quacky

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wishful thinking and

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everyone is saying george you thought i

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was he had found gold in these old

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spanish diggings he spent the next 15

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prospecting the area he finally actually

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samples assayed and it turned out there

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in the ore and uh he couldn't afford to

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claims so he uh he

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out to public mining companies and one

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of them stepped up to the plate i think

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mine and producing like

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well over uh 200 million dollars in gold

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gold strike mining district down by

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was very soft-spoken he wasn't

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he was kind of introverted in a lot of

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ways he he he wasn't afraid to get in

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front of groups of people and talk to

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him but i think he was kind of

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conservative when it came to sharing

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some of her his deeper feelings but he

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always had kind of like the soft

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spot for ufos the whole time i've been

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uh he it was always a topic of interest

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the mines or the quarries i was kind of

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my grandpa's rock slave right he

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didn't like to hire people from the

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outside because you know we some of our

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operations were sensitive and he was

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afraid of people going into the mines

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and stealing the rock and

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you know it's like we would we we would

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on ufology from when i was a kid before

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i even knew what a ufo was

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he he he had dreams where

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like one of his dreams was like he saw

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the design of how

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these crafts were engineered

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and he he actually woke up from that

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dream and drew out like through an

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of of the technology that he had

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that told him basically how these

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these craft would operate how they were

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like

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anti-gravitational vehicles now i don't

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know how serious to take that but

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my grandpa was kind of an interesting

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character and after he passed away we uh

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my brother and i you know he he was a

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kind of he was a gentle he liked the

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girl that occasionally grow his

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beard really long and white and he kind

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of looked like one of those guys on duck

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dynasty

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you know phil robertson or whatever and

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so we made a spin off of his uh

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his beard you know took a picture of

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that designed a graphic out of it and we

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called

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our our little clan the ufo dynasty

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right just because

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because we were kind of we've always

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been kind of like

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this side of my family has always been

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kind of intuitive we're we've got this

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thing that we call

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uh the lamboro intuition which is my

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grandfather's last name lamro

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uh we've always kind of had the there's

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a

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this but

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there's definitely a strong streak of

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relatives of mine

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that have in some way or another

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been affected by this phenomenon so

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there's just a natural interest there

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and there were stories before mine that

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existed in our family that made me

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kind of help me connect the dots and you

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know then i saw these objects in

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2013 and i actually videotaped some of

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them

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i was able to get some videotape uh i

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had two other experiences

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between 2013 and 2016

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which put me further down the rabbit

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hole and over the years since then i've

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i've began having some sort of uh

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recall or what i would what you could

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suggest as a flashback where

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all of a sudden i'm beginning to have

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memories i have a memory

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of my childhood at a preschool up in

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salt lake city where i remember

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seeing this was a flashback i was like

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in a semi-sleep

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pattern right and i saw these objects

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outside of the preschool window and all

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our

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uh daycare workers and the caretakers

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there the priests were

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motioning all the kids to come over the

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window we saw these craft and i i

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remember having this memory this was

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just like two years ago

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and i woke up from this dream this

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flashback

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and i was recalling the name of the

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preschool

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i was thinking it was easy easy but i i

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started talking to my brother and he

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says nate i know which preschool that

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what

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mom would would send us to when we were

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little kids so i was like four years old

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uh when i was at this preschool

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and my mother was single at the time and

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she was leaving us there and it turned

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out

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to stand for ecec i don't know what all

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the acronyms stand for but it was at the

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university of utah

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and it was the early childhood

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development center

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at the university of utah where my

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mother was leaving us so i was like

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what what what what am i doing with the

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memory a childhood memory that is

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recalled

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through a dream or a sleep where i

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just like recalled from memory and i'm

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waking up from this and

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i'm seeing ufos from my childhood it's

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like

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i'm wondering if this you know you're

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connecting the dots when you're dealing

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with this phenomenon

378
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i think i i tend to think that uh people

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that are affected by it to see these

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objects are not just seeing them

381
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randomly or by happenstance because they

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happen to

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you know they weren't expecting they

384
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just show up i think people to see these

385
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objects there's got to be some kind of

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phenomenon tied to their past

387
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or there's some kind of there's

388
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something going on there and

389
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i don't have any scientific evidence of

390
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course

391
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except the videos i captured out in

392
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nevada i don't really have any

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scientific evidence

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to prove anything that i'm saying here

395
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or to prove or to back anything i'm

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claiming here and i'll be the first

397
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to admit that it's like you know i'm i'm

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scientifically objective

399
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i don't believe a lot of what i hear

400
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about because there are a lot of

401
00:14:02,949 --> 00:14:00,079
charlatans and there's a lot of

402
00:14:05,590 --> 00:14:02,959
paranoids and tinfoil hatters out there

403
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you know and i go to conferences and i

404
00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,480
see that

405
00:14:10,230 --> 00:14:08,639
people like to you know pull out the

406
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crystals and the

407
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you know the the the chakras and they

408
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like to start talking about all the new

409
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ageism

410
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that's around this phenomenon and they

411
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kind of lose me at that point because

412
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like okay this is where

413
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you know science left the building and

414
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religion has taken over religious

415
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beliefs

416
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and i i honestly believe that there's a

417
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phenomenon

418
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i believe it's real i don't know exactly

419
00:14:36,710 --> 00:14:33,040
what we're dealing with

420
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um i've had experiences that i can't

421
00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:38,079
explain that have happened

422
00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:39,680
you know i just told you a few of those

423
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experiences connect

424
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while connecting the dots are trying to

425
00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:45,040
connect the dots here but whatever this

426
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:46,560
phenomenon is

427
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it's not uh it doesn't follow a

428
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chronological linear path like

429
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our society do like our society does

430
00:14:59,590 --> 00:14:56,160
like you and i do we see we

431
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we look at a watch and we meet at 11

432
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o'clock today to have this podcast

433
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and we're following we're on a linear

434
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chronological path

435
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but uh i think if i'm thinking of a

436
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hollywood movie to compare this to

437
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i would have to say it's it's comparable

438
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to that film that came out a couple

439
00:15:18,389 --> 00:15:16,320
years ago called arrival

440
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which talked about linguistics and

441
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talked about alien

442
00:15:24,470 --> 00:15:22,639
on human languages and how maybe not all

443
00:15:26,629 --> 00:15:24,480
intelligences behave

444
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on a linear path on a chronological

445
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linear path

446
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maybe they're in their dimensional maybe

447
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their ets from outer space

448
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but i i thought that move put out a

449
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really good message because it kind of

450
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is comparable to what i think this

451
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,399
phenomenon is

452
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especially when it comes to recall or

453
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memories coming back to haunt you

454
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because something triggered those

455
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memories maybe like a

456
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post-traumatic stress episode

457
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i don't really know how to describe it

458
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but

459
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that's kind of what it came across to me

460
00:15:57,990 --> 00:15:56,160
when i've been trying to figure out what

461
00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:58,000
it is i'm dealing with and then i

462
00:16:01,829 --> 00:16:00,399
also only remember an early childhood

463
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,839
memory like that it's like are they

464
00:16:06,230 --> 00:16:03,279
invented memories

465
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:06,240
are they suggest is it something that

466
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:08,320
came from the figment of my imagination

467
00:16:11,269 --> 00:16:09,199
i don't know i

468
00:16:12,870 --> 00:16:11,279
i think it's real because of the you

469
00:16:14,949 --> 00:16:12,880
know being able to recall certain

470
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:14,959
locations in certain times of the year

471
00:16:18,629 --> 00:16:16,320
from that memory

472
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:18,639
you know it's it's really hard to for me

473
00:16:21,269 --> 00:16:20,480
to refute that that was just some kind

474
00:16:26,550 --> 00:16:21,279
of

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i i'm sure it's not implanted invented

476
00:16:34,790 --> 00:16:32,720
or any kind of uh artificial memory

477
00:16:36,230 --> 00:16:34,800
it sounds to me like these things have

478
00:16:39,110 --> 00:16:36,240
an overlay and

479
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it oftentimes people that like you said

480
00:16:42,230 --> 00:16:40,880
genetically that this goes through their

481
00:16:44,389 --> 00:16:42,240
family line

482
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there's a lot of situations and

483
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circumstances

484
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where you know the kids are going off to

485
00:16:52,790 --> 00:16:51,680
places like this for special kids that

486
00:16:56,150 --> 00:16:52,800
have

487
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extra perceived uh

488
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value to the school system and

489
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uh i remember being that that name

490
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:06,319
hits a bell with me as well and um

491
00:17:11,429 --> 00:17:09,679
i remember uh yeah elementary school do

492
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you remember going to like a place where

493
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they did a banquet for you

494
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or anything like that or no but that

495
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:20,000
this uh i i i honestly we probably

496
00:17:25,350 --> 00:17:22,079
shouldn't go down this rabbit hole

497
00:17:27,669 --> 00:17:25,360
sorry i i honestly

498
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,679
yeah i remember when i had this memory

499
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when i had this uh

500
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recall where this memory came back to me

501
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the memory seemed like i had had the

502
00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:36,000
memory a thousand times before

503
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and it seemed so familiar to me but was

504
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there a lot of color

505
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red in it lots of color red in it at all

506
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by any chance

507
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it was it was when when these objects

508
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were being when we were seeing these

509
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these objects they were in the sky they

510
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were outside the building and it was

511
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evening and it was sunset um

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and i i just remember all the commotion

513
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of being invited amongst all the other

514
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school kids there we all saw these

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objects

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and i don't know i don't have any other

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memory

518
00:18:17,590 --> 00:18:15,039
of this specific event except that one

519
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it seems like flashbacks it's not like a

520
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total memory it's almost like

521
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scenes just short clips and scenes of a

522
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very far distant memory that seems so

523
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familiar but i don't remember

524
00:18:31,270 --> 00:18:28,559
remembering it

525
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the whole time i've since my childhood

526
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it's just it was almost like a recall

527
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that

528
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was just just happened you know and but

529
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it seems so familiar

530
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because i remember remembering it again

531
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somewhere else

532
00:18:45,510 --> 00:18:43,120
in another time frame in another part of

533
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my life i don't know it was just

534
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and i thought 2013 was the first

535
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:51,200
time of you know seeing these objects

536
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but

537
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um the real the real uh the real thing

538
00:19:01,190 --> 00:18:59,200
for me is i have to i have when i'm

539
00:19:02,549 --> 00:19:01,200
looking at this stuff scientifically and

540
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,559
objectively

541
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,360
i have to i have to know i have to be

542
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:07,520
completely honest with people

543
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:09,840
when i saw the objects out in nevada

544
00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:12,000
they looked like

545
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,760
orange spheres about the size of a house

546
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:17,840
and they were completely muffled it was

547
00:19:21,830 --> 00:19:19,919
a it wasn't a brightness it was so

548
00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:21,840
bright that would hurt your eyes it was

549
00:19:25,909 --> 00:19:22,880
like a

550
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:25,919
think of a soft orange light and the

551
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:27,039
further away it got

552
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:29,600
the brighter it got so it was like when

553
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:31,280
it was like across the valley i saw

554
00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:33,039
these objects out in uh

555
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:34,880
you know where groom lake road is going

556
00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:36,640
out to the front entrance of area 51 and

557
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i

558
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,960
youtube and look up orange orbs and my

559
00:19:44,950 --> 00:19:41,679
name

560
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:44,960
you'll see two videos on youtube

561
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:48,000
that don't do justice to what i actually

562
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,600
saw with my naked eyes i wasn't

563
00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,600
intending to capture video

564
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,840
but there's a deeper story tied to this

565
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,840
i had a dream

566
00:19:59,590 --> 00:19:58,000
almost like a vision in cedar city that

567
00:20:00,390 --> 00:19:59,600
morning and i don't talk about that

568
00:20:01,750 --> 00:20:00,400
because

569
00:20:03,590 --> 00:20:01,760
i you know when people are already

570
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:03,600
skeptical

571
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:06,240
you know telling people i was prompted

572
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:07,840
to go out there there was a

573
00:20:11,909 --> 00:20:09,919
message for me to go out there that's

574
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:11,919
where it gets really far-fetched for a

575
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,120
lot of people

576
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,880
and they begin to have a hard time

577
00:20:17,750 --> 00:20:16,640
believing what i'm saying with no

578
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,760
evidence

579
00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:20,240
but you know we were i was actually

580
00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:21,440
supposed to go down

581
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,039
i don't usually share this this part of

582
00:20:26,789 --> 00:20:24,960
the story i just feel

583
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:26,799
intuitive to share it with you ryan he's

584
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:28,880
a good friend of mine but uh

585
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:31,679
um so cool thank you i guess people i

586
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:33,840
just tell people i saw orange orbs but

587
00:20:36,149 --> 00:20:34,320
uh

588
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,159
we were actually supposed to go to page

589
00:20:40,549 --> 00:20:38,159
arizona that morning because my friend

590
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,559
uh nathan his name is nathan too i won't

591
00:20:44,470 --> 00:20:41,919
mention his last name just for his

592
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:44,480
privacy just in case he doesn't want it

593
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:46,960
he doesn't want to you know be a sec he

594
00:20:50,549 --> 00:20:48,960
is the second primary witness but

595
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,559
he doesn't seem like someone who would

596
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:52,480
want to go on the record but maybe he

597
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,200
would

598
00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:55,760
um but he was out there with me and he

599
00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:57,360
was supposed to be learning photography

600
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:59,360
for me i was actually training him

601
00:21:03,270 --> 00:21:01,600
on photography he wanted to be my

602
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:03,280
apprentice and so he was following me

603
00:21:05,990 --> 00:21:04,000
around

604
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,000
with the camera you know and her

605
00:21:09,510 --> 00:21:07,919
intention was to go down to page arizona

606
00:21:11,990 --> 00:21:09,520
and photograph big ben

607
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,000
uh in the grand canyon and that was our

608
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:14,799
original goal but i had this weird dream

609
00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:18,080
uh where i was on a craft

610
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:20,400
in the dream and i actually ended up

611
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:21,919
sleepwalking

612
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:25,039
that morning out of the house and it was

613
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:26,960
blizzarding outside that morning and my

614
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,520
roommate

615
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,520
was up late that night and he watched

616
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:31,520
walk out of the house

617
00:21:34,950 --> 00:21:33,520
and walk out into a blizzard into a

618
00:21:37,909 --> 00:21:34,960
snowstorm

619
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,919
while i was having this dream and he

620
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:39,919
woke me up but i was out in the street

621
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:43,440
underneath the street lamp in snow

622
00:21:46,710 --> 00:21:45,760
and i remember waking up from this dream

623
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:46,720
and in the train

624
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,280
i was in this spaceship i was in this

625
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,039
large craft

626
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,200
and i was getting off this metal table

627
00:21:56,549 --> 00:21:54,640
in this craft

628
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:56,559
and i could hear the roar of the engine

629
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:58,320
there was a roar of a large

630
00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,440
engine inside of this vessel and i

631
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:03,200
remember getting off the table and

632
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,200
walking down a hallway

633
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:07,200
inside this craft and while i was

634
00:22:10,470 --> 00:22:08,799
walking through this craft this is when

635
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,480
i was sleepwalking

636
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,600
out of the house and my roommate skyler

637
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,280
came and woke me up these little spooks

638
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:17,039
he saw me walk out of the house with

639
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:19,600
like no shoes on and no jacket or

640
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:20,960
anything out of the snow

641
00:22:25,350 --> 00:22:23,520
so he came and got me and i woke up

642
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,360
while i was sleepwalking and

643
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,159
the sound of that craft was still loud

644
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:29,600
it was still ringing in my ears

645
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,200
after waking up and the amplified sound

646
00:22:35,909 --> 00:22:34,799
of that engine or whatever it was on

647
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:35,919
that craft

648
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,559
began to die down and it died down to

649
00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:40,720
the home of i-15 going through cedar

650
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:42,400
city so the hum of the constant hum of

651
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,600
the freeway

652
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,000
seemed to be in sync with whatever the

653
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:46,960
sound was

654
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,000
from this vision i had and

655
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:52,080
right then when i woke up it was almost

656
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,039
like i had

657
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,600
the urge i had the message that had come

658
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:57,039
through to me and said

659
00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,320
go to area 51. now i had made

660
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:02,080
i've been going out there since i was

661
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:03,600
eight years old okay

662
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:05,200
first time i went out there i was eight

663
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:07,200
years old and i've been going out there

664
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:09,520
all these years never seen anything

665
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:12,159
but the message was clear that we were

666
00:23:16,070 --> 00:23:13,760
going to see something

667
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:16,080
and i was supposed to tell my buddy he's

668
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,000
not a big fan of area 51.

669
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:20,000
nate this other nate he didn't really

670
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,600
want to go out there i had to

671
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,760
i had to make a case to go out there and

672
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,000
i urged him to go out there

673
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:28,799
that morning and we did we checked we

674
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,640
changed course we ended up going out to

675
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:31,679
area 51.

676
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,960
so we get out to area 51

677
00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:37,520
and on our way out there i say let's

678
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:39,760
stop at the old ghost town of delamar

679
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:41,919
now if you look this up on a map the

680
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,799
ghost town of delamar it's quite a ways

681
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,600
from area 51 it's about 30 or 40 miles

682
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,159
east of area 51. so we're we're on our

683
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,840
way out to area 51 we're going to go

684
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:53,200
stop at race so we're going to go to the

685
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,960
back entrances of course do i do

686
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:56,400
everything i do when i usually go out

687
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:56,880
there

688
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:59,200
and i had this feeling this uh

689
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,240
premonition

690
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:01,760
going on the entire time that we were

691
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:04,000
going to see something and i told date i

692
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:04,480
said

693
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:09,120
just know i have this certainty whenever

694
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:11,200
the certainty hits me like this and i've

695
00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,919
it's been inspired like this or

696
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:15,679
something i can't explain

697
00:24:19,990 --> 00:24:17,600
like this you just gotta have to trust

698
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,000
us because something's gonna happen

699
00:24:23,110 --> 00:24:22,400
i knew for a fact it was gonna happen

700
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:23,120
and

701
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:28,320
about a seven mile dirt road trip

702
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:30,960
out to the ghost town of delamar you

703
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:32,320
have to have four-wheel drive to get up

704
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,200
in there

705
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,200
and we're talking about 30 or 40 miles

706
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:37,520
away from the base here okay

707
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,200
and we're we get out there to these

708
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,520
ruins of this old ghost town of delamar

709
00:24:45,909 --> 00:24:43,360
up on the side of this mountain

710
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:45,919
uh like i said quite a ways from the

711
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:46,880
base

712
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:48,799
and while we're out there photographing

713
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,200
the landscapes and all the old west

714
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:53,360
western ruins out there from the 19th

715
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:54,720
century

716
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:58,880
drones show up uh military drones

717
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,400
the kind that you you you hear about

718
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:05,039
obama was using for drone strikes to

719
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,679
kill

720
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:07,840
america enemies of the united states

721
00:25:11,590 --> 00:25:09,360
right like you know the drone

722
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,600
kills those kind of drones with the

723
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:13,600
front heavy ends on them right i don't

724
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:14,880
they have like these really heavy

725
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:16,640
cockpits i don't know if they were had

726
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,760
someone on board

727
00:25:22,630 --> 00:25:19,360
or if they were unmanned or remote

728
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,640
controlled but these drones show up

729
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:25,600
over the top of delamar 40 miles away

730
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:26,480
from

731
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,760
the base and i'd pull out my phone

732
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,600
and he pulled out his phone and we began

733
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,279
filming these and i've got this footage

734
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,120
somewhere i got to find it it's on a

735
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,360
backup hard drive but two or three of

736
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,600
these drones show up and the whole 30 or

737
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:41,360
40 minutes we were out there they didn't

738
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,320
leave

739
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:44,480
they just circled around the top of us

740
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,080
and i'm thinking

741
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,400
that's like the strangest thing those

742
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:49,760
have to be expensive

743
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:52,080
to fly around out there so what are they

744
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:53,039
doing

745
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:56,159
flying over the top of a couple random

746
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,200
college students photographing

747
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:01,200
landscapes on their way out to area 51

748
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,159
it's like i thought that was the

749
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,600
weirdest thing so at first i thought

750
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,520
maybe this is what i was supposed to see

751
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,039
or something is like

752
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:09,279
it seemed underwhelming because i knew

753
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,120
what they were right it's like

754
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:13,760
that's not what i was expecting and this

755
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,120
is the bill the winner we're talking

756
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,279
december of 2013 and we go out to the

757
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,120
alien before it gets too dark we

758
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,159
grab the burger we eat the food and we

759
00:26:25,990 --> 00:26:24,080
go out to the back entrance

760
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,000
to the gates the ones that are in the

761
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,080
same valley where rachel nevada is right

762
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:30,720
there's a back entrance there

763
00:26:33,909 --> 00:26:33,200
and i remember saying something to the

764
00:26:37,110 --> 00:26:33,919
camera

765
00:26:38,470 --> 00:26:37,120
at the back entrance and i said i know

766
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:38,480
the truth i know what you guys are

767
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:39,360
hiding in there

768
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,880
i always take groups out there and i'll

769
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,240
talk to the base and i'll talk to the

770
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,679
security cameras

771
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,000
and it's like it's just it's just me

772
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,840
being funny okay

773
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:50,320
but that night we were getting ready to

774
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:51,120
head back

775
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,880
we left the little alien we ate dinner

776
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,240
at the little alien and then we were

777
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:57,200
heading back to utah

778
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:01,760
and the moon was coming up

779
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,200
and it was probably around i don't know

780
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:05,120
what time it was but it was like right

781
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,360
at

782
00:27:08,549 --> 00:27:07,679
twilight we were heading we had left

783
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,559
rachel

784
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,400
we were in that adjacent valley i think

785
00:27:13,909 --> 00:27:12,000
it's ticaboo valley right the one that

786
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,919
where groom lake road is

787
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,880
we're driving down that road and all of

788
00:27:22,470 --> 00:27:18,840
a suddenly

789
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:22,480
these four massive orbs come out from

790
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:23,440
behind the mountain

791
00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,960
the mountain as you're heading towards

792
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,760
caliente there's a mountain range there

793
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,159
and four of these big orbs came out from

794
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,159
behind the mountain

795
00:27:36,149 --> 00:27:34,399
and they maneuvered down into the valley

796
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:36,159
so they went over the mountain and down

797
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,600
into the valley and they were right

798
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:40,720
above the valley floor

799
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:43,840
on the north side of extraterrestrial

800
00:27:47,990 --> 00:27:45,120
highway

801
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:48,000
and i always remember i was training

802
00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:48,480
nate

803
00:27:53,029 --> 00:27:51,679
with photography so i had i left but the

804
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,039
sad thing is i had left all my

805
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,880
photography gear home so i had one

806
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:55,840
camera

807
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:58,320
and i had a soup i had a wide-angle lens

808
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:59,760
that i was using so if you're trying to

809
00:28:03,510 --> 00:28:00,720
capture something

810
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,520
12 miles away a wide angle lens is not

811
00:28:06,230 --> 00:28:04,559
going to help you very much

812
00:28:07,669 --> 00:28:06,240
capture something up close i didn't have

813
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:07,679
a telephoto lens it was just

814
00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:10,720
the one lens one camera combo

815
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,480
when these objects appeared i just

816
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:13,760
automatically

817
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,039
like muscle memory grabbed the camera

818
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,880
and i was trying to capture these orbs

819
00:28:23,430 --> 00:28:21,600
while they were above the valley floor

820
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:23,440
and it's almost like right when i got

821
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:31,110
aim into focus it's almost like the orbs

822
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:33,600
could sense

823
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:35,200
that i was getting ready to try and film

824
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,279
them and they completely

825
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,760
blinked out right when i got the camera

826
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,520
rolling

827
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,679
so we're talking maybe 45 seconds that

828
00:28:46,789 --> 00:28:45,360
we were witnessing these things and

829
00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,799
between the time i was trying to pull

830
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:47,600
the camera

831
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,600
at the case while driving at the same

832
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:52,000
time on et highway and i had pulled over

833
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:52,559
by then

834
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:56,960
in my jeep and i was completely

835
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,960
i was completely flabbergasted but i was

836
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,440
also

837
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:02,960
completely disappointed because all

838
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:04,320
suddenly the objects i was trying to

839
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,279
record

840
00:29:10,830 --> 00:29:07,200
were gone this was the experience this

841
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:14,710
and um we sat there for about 20 minutes

842
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,640
just disappointed after they disappeared

843
00:29:21,909 --> 00:29:18,480
and we were just in complete awe

844
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:25,590
and at this time the moon was coming up

845
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:27,039
it was just getting ready to come up

846
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,000
over the

847
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,399
edge of the horizon so this wasn't quite

848
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:33,279
dark yet it was like evening dark right

849
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,600
when these first appeared and we were

850
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:36,960
disappointed and i didn't know what to

851
00:29:39,669 --> 00:29:37,360
do

852
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:39,679
because we were heading home and when we

853
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,799
didn't think they were going to show up

854
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,480
again we got back on the highway and we

855
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,760
were just talking about we started

856
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:45,600
heading towards caliente again towards

857
00:29:49,029 --> 00:29:46,320
alamo

858
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:49,039
in that direction and about five minutes

859
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,640
later

860
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:52,080
while i was driving down the highway on

861
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:54,080
the offset in the valley

862
00:29:57,430 --> 00:29:55,600
i'm looking in the rearview mirror and

863
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:57,440
it's like they they appeared in my rear

864
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,799
view mirror on the opposite end of the

865
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:00,559
valve

866
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,520
so i saw them in the rear view mirror

867
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,880
and i turned around

868
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:06,799
and i didn't even think about whether i

869
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:08,240
should follow him or not i just started

870
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,200
speeding

871
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:11,200
as fast as my jeep would go i had to

872
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,559
pedal to the middle

873
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:15,039
and i i i flipped i had flipped that ue

874
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,799
and i was just punching it back towards

875
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,640
rachel trying to catch up

876
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,640
to these objects while i was also trying

877
00:30:24,549 --> 00:30:22,320
to capture the video footage

878
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,559
so for the next 45 minutes i was trying

879
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,480
to capture video footage trying to catch

880
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,760
up to these things

881
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,520
and it's almost like we were playing tag

882
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:31,840
with these lights we would travel about

883
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,840
five miles and they would blink out and

884
00:30:37,750 --> 00:30:35,360
appear on opposite ends of the valley

885
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:37,760
where we had just come from

886
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,760
so they were something was toying with

887
00:30:44,070 --> 00:30:42,159
us out at area 51.

888
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:44,080
these objects would disappear and then

889
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:45,440
reappear

890
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,440
and they would never let me get close

891
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:50,159
enough to them to capture footage

892
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:53,840
finally i managed to capture footage

893
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,760
nate the other witness in the vehicle

894
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,279
told me to cut the engine because he

895
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:59,039
wanted to see if he could hear

896
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:02,480
these crap making noise so we cut the

897
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,240
engine while i was capturing footage and

898
00:31:08,870 --> 00:31:06,240
that's where i actually got the footage

899
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,880
i ca i made two different videos but you

900
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,320
have to look at the videos on an

901
00:31:14,149 --> 00:31:12,559
enlarged screen at full resolution

902
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,159
and you can see one of the lights come

903
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,399
apart and separate

904
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:18,240
but they were disappearing and

905
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,600
reappearing i remember getting out of

906
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:20,720
the vehicle we couldn't hear

907
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:23,279
nothing there was no noise when these

908
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,200
things were appearing it was absolutely

909
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,440
quiet we didn't hear any aircraft

910
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,120
we didn't see anyone else coming down

911
00:31:32,950 --> 00:31:30,799
the highway that night

912
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,960
and i got out of the vehicle and this is

913
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:35,039
where i have to that my scientific site

914
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,640
has to come in

915
00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:38,799
and stay for the record what's something

916
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,559
else that i saw

917
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,120
that may suggest these weren't ufos at

918
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:44,559
all these may have been some kind of

919
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:45,519
holographic

920
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,480
image so i get out of the bid i get out

921
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:50,240
of the vehicle and i'm looking back

922
00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:53,360
towards groom lake road where you

923
00:31:57,269 --> 00:31:56,000
you find the front entrance to area 51

924
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,279
you're looking in the mountains back

925
00:31:59,909 --> 00:31:58,320
there right

926
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,919
behind the bays where the base is at

927
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:01,679
right and there was something that

928
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,559
looked like it was projecting an image

929
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:06,240
on a track and it was there was this

930
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,720
bait light moving back and forth

931
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:10,880
along the ridge line of the mountain and

932
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:12,799
it almost looked like a projector that

933
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,440
was

934
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,600
projecting these lights or projecting

935
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,279
this hologram

936
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,039
that we were witnessing uh in the sky

937
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:23,200
i'm thinking it was a hologram i don't

938
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:26,480
even know if it was orbs or ufo but

939
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,760
you know the funny thing is is the whole

940
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:30,799
orange orb

941
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:32,880
flare argument works really well to

942
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,840
create a sense of deniability

943
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,840
for for whatever it is when it comes to

944
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:39,919
the orange orb phenomenon right

945
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:42,320
it they can always just they can always

946
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:43,679
just chalk it up as

947
00:32:50,549 --> 00:32:47,360
flared especially at area 51.

948
00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,559
so you know i don't know

949
00:32:55,830 --> 00:32:53,919
the thing that's uh inexplicable to me

950
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,840
about this experience about what's going

951
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:58,320
on out there about what i saw

952
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:01,840
is the timing and the dream

953
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,120
and you know i i don't want to suggest

954
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:07,200
this okay but i'm going to suggest it

955
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:10,240
with no evidence except what i saw out

956
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:11,440
there

957
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:14,000
i believe and i'm not paranoid i think

958
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:15,519
there's black cats and there's white

959
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,799
hats in the government okay i'm not

960
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:18,559
paranoid of the government i'm not a

961
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,000
i'm not a tin foil hatter here but i'm

962
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,880
i'm thinking that they have technologies

963
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,360
that we can't even begin to comprehend

964
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,080
and they like that there's a a few of us

965
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:32,399
are lab rats or something

966
00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,919
and they're toying with us this

967
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:38,000
this to me doesn't even seem like an et

968
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:40,240
this seems like something where

969
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:41,840
they wanted to test something and they

970
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:44,240
knew i'd come out there if they did it

971
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,640
you know because i follow this stuff

972
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,519
like a cat chases a laser

973
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,159
on the wall i like that like a cat

974
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,080
chase's laser and so cool

975
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:57,679
i've seen stuff out at area 51 too that

976
00:34:01,590 --> 00:34:00,159
seems as if it could not be our

977
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,600
technology but again

978
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:04,960
i am no fleet specialist of these

979
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,840
vehicles so how the heck would i know

980
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,159
and

981
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:11,200
i wanna you know it's ironic but perhaps

982
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:11,599
um

983
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,119
a question i wanted to ask you an

984
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:15,599
epitome of sort of kind of ties into

985
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:19,440
area 51 and how compartmentalized it is

986
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:23,520
a lot of religions are compartmentalized

987
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,240
as well

988
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,720
and a lot of the structures and temples

989
00:34:32,069 --> 00:34:28,720
of those religions are structured

990
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:32,079
uh very compartmentalized in utah i've

991
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,839
heard a lot of really cool stories

992
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:39,040
about things like an elevator shaft was

993
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,960
created in the temple before they knew

994
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,800
they even needed an elevator shaft and

995
00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:44,720
the dimensions were correct

996
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,040
and other other very significant

997
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,159
i guess it would be uh

998
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,800
building processes that they they kind

999
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,399
of allowed for

1000
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,240
the electrical the plumbing the things

1001
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:59,760
that they weren't sure were even going

1002
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:00,960
to be in there

1003
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:03,280
and um i wanted to kind of delve into

1004
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:04,640
that and you being a

1005
00:35:09,750 --> 00:35:07,280
a native utahn did you hear any folklore

1006
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:09,760
like that

1007
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:13,599
well i think i i have

1008
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:18,240
but you know i've also um

1009
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:22,560
i've also traveled extensively

1010
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,160
throughout the pueblos and throughout

1011
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:27,680
many different uh indigenous communities

1012
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:29,680
around the southwest so i see a pattern

1013
00:35:34,950 --> 00:35:31,920
not just in the

1014
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,960
mormon bubble up there in utah but i

1015
00:35:39,550 --> 00:35:37,040
also see it

1016
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,560
around the american southwest i i notice

1017
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,920
inconsistencies and data because i guess

1018
00:35:45,990 --> 00:35:44,240
i'm educated right

1019
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:46,000
when you're in college when you're at a

1020
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,359
university you learn how to write

1021
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:49,359
bibliographies and you learn how to cite

1022
00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:50,640
your sources when you're

1023
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:52,800
writing research papers and you come

1024
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,520
down you learn research methods like

1025
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:58,320
what they call you know quantitative

1026
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,119
data

1027
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,800
research methods where you're looking at

1028
00:36:04,390 --> 00:36:02,480
stuff statistically like

1029
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,400
quantitative data and then you're

1030
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:06,800
looking at qualitative data

1031
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,920
when it's not statistical data like hard

1032
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,839
science right so when you're looking at

1033
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:13,119
you're trying to

1034
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,880
gather data that's got truth to it

1035
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:18,560
but there's a lot of flux you have to

1036
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:20,000
sift through a lot of what they call

1037
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,359
qualitative data and at the university

1038
00:36:27,910 --> 00:36:24,960
level when you're writing a research

1039
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:27,920
paper there's got to be

1040
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,160
qualitative data will not something like

1041
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:31,359
wikipedia won't

1042
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:33,200
won't do the trick you have to have

1043
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:35,040
solid sources you can't use fox news you

1044
00:36:39,270 --> 00:36:35,839
can't use

1045
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:39,280
sources you have to go through a

1046
00:36:45,510 --> 00:36:43,040
periodical index of approved

1047
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:45,520
media sources that are known to be

1048
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:46,720
reliable i would say

1049
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:49,920
associated press reuters those are those

1050
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,839
are qualitative data sources that would

1051
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:53,599
be suitable for like a college

1052
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,640
research paper right and i i

1053
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,760
learned how to scrutinize [\h__\h]

1054
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:01,040
oh i should probably shouldn't say that

1055
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:02,880
on the podcast i'm sorry that's okay

1056
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,079
um i i've learned how to scrutinize

1057
00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:08,640
a lot of fluff based on those research

1058
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:10,160
methods so i've got

1059
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:13,680
i discriminate what i hear

1060
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:16,560
and what i would call folk what i what a

1061
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:17,200
lot of people

1062
00:37:23,670 --> 00:37:20,720
call uh ufology or ufological data

1063
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,680
i call folklore because there's nothing

1064
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:25,280
to prove it so when we're looking at

1065
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,599
like

1066
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,480
steven spielberg's film close encounters

1067
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,400
the third kind a lot of the inspiration

1068
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:31,920
man that film was derived from the

1069
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:34,000
circle project

1070
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:35,920
which isn't interesting one there's a

1071
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:38,640
ton of ufo folklore tied to that

1072
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,400
and when i'm doing my tours around the

1073
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:42,160
southwest i like to talk about that i

1074
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:43,520
like to dive down that rabbit hole

1075
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:45,119
because it fascinates me but i call it

1076
00:37:47,430 --> 00:37:45,920
folklore

1077
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,440
and a lot of ufo researchers get

1078
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:49,119
offended at me for calling a folklore

1079
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:50,560
because like no there's some truth to

1080
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,040
this

1081
00:37:55,030 --> 00:37:53,280
of course but it's like religion and god

1082
00:37:55,910 --> 00:37:55,040
you can't prove or disprove it so it's

1083
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,920
like

1084
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:58,160
you know it's it's it is what it is

1085
00:38:04,069 --> 00:37:58,960
right

1086
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,079
and i look at the i look at mormonism

1087
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:07,359
and you know our organization we don't

1088
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,400
look at this

1089
00:38:11,589 --> 00:38:10,400
from a scientific perspective actually

1090
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:11,599
we look at it from a

1091
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,599
sociological anthropological perspective

1092
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:17,359
when we were hosting the fast so the

1093
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:19,200
whole idea was

1094
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:21,200
the whole question i had when it came to

1095
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,040
the mormon church and the mormon bubble

1096
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,440
is what is it that they're trying to

1097
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,200
make us afraid of what are they trying

1098
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:29,599
to conform us away from

1099
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:32,720
you know i i looking at the pandemic

1100
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:35,359
the church is in lockstep sync with the

1101
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:35,760
u.s

1102
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:37,200
federal government when it comes to

1103
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,880
following the guidelines and shutting

1104
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,920
down their

1105
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:41,839
religious meetings and i'm not just

1106
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:43,200
looking at the church here i'm not just

1107
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:44,320
looking at the mormon church here i'm

1108
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,000
looking at all the major religions and

1109
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:47,599
how they're like almost like

1110
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:50,400
lots block step in sync with with a

1111
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,280
government or

1112
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:54,000
even a world government agenda and i

1113
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:55,200
can't help but think

1114
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,720
you know it's like they're almost like

1115
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,640
stressing us to conform

1116
00:39:01,910 --> 00:39:00,320
and not go against the grain and just

1117
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,920
listen to our leaders

1118
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,800
you know and to me i've always been kind

1119
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:06,960
of skeptical of the church i'm not

1120
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,119
active in the church i'm lds and i have

1121
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:10,880
to be careful what i say because

1122
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:12,800
i don't want to be perceived to someone

1123
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:14,640
who's against the church

1124
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:17,440
i identify as a mormon culturally and

1125
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,480
they don't even want to be called

1126
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,920
mormons anymore the

1127
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:22,079
official narrative of the church is no

1128
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:23,680
we're latter-day saints you know we're

1129
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:25,119
members of the church jesus christ

1130
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,880
latter-day saints don't call us mormons

1131
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:27,520
that's

1132
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,040
not our thing anymore we want to

1133
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,880
reinvent ourselves we want to reinvent

1134
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,800
our church's image

1135
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,560
in the world you've probably heard a few

1136
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:36,000
things about that right

1137
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:38,000
i've gone against the grain on that i

1138
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,200
said you know what

1139
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,079
i'm a proud mormon am a mormon and i

1140
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,240
believe in ufos i'm a mormon i believe

1141
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:46,160
in aliens i'm a mormon and i believe

1142
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,520
god is an extraterrestrial

1143
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,079
and some mormons when you're sitting in

1144
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:53,599
a church meeting they get offended at

1145
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,000
that

1146
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:56,800
it's like why are you guys getting

1147
00:40:01,109 --> 00:39:58,079
offended at that

1148
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,119
the more of a church is a ufo cult

1149
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,599
that now don't say that in a church

1150
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:05,119
because you're gonna that's seen that

1151
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:06,960
that's gonna be perceived as

1152
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,960
sacrilegious but they you know they talk

1153
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:11,280
about god coming from a planet

1154
00:40:14,550 --> 00:40:12,640
they don't know if it's a planet or a

1155
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:14,560
star they call it kolob

1156
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:17,760
right yeah yeah

1157
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,880
supposedly yeah in form and theology god

1158
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:23,280
supposedly created this earth and

1159
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:25,440
create where his sons were his sons and

1160
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:26,800
daughters

1161
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:28,079
and if he created this earth but he's

1162
00:40:31,750 --> 00:40:29,520
not from here what does that make him

1163
00:40:33,349 --> 00:40:31,760
ryan

1164
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,359
well he's he's not here on the

1165
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,240
terrestrial plane

1166
00:40:41,190 --> 00:40:38,560
of course so what does that make him a

1167
00:40:45,270 --> 00:40:41,200
cosmic divine being

1168
00:40:47,430 --> 00:40:45,280
an e.t i i just couldn't say i had to

1169
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,440
have you say it instead i bet i i

1170
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,839
but yes something not from here

1171
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:50,960
absolutely

1172
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:54,240
an alien yeah but the mormon theology

1173
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:55,440
teaches okay

1174
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,040
their gospel teaches that this

1175
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,160
one god our father in heaven you know

1176
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,160
created worlds without number they say

1177
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:06,000
that he created as many

1178
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,480
worlds as there are sands upon this

1179
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,240
earth grains of sand

1180
00:41:15,270 --> 00:41:12,880
with intelligent human life he's they're

1181
00:41:17,270 --> 00:41:15,280
not he's not talking about giants and

1182
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,280
little green people he's saying human

1183
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:20,560
life and what blows my mind in ufology

1184
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,040
with

1185
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,280
stories like billy meyer i know a lot of

1186
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,280
people are skeptical of billy meyer

1187
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,720
and all these other accounts but if you

1188
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,880
look at adam adamski you know who i'm

1189
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:30,400
talking about

1190
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,240
the adansky uh scenario in california

1191
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:36,319
or what's his name george castle with

1192
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:38,319
the integratron the integratron

1193
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,359
absolutely all right funny fact

1194
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,599
funny fact uh did you know ryan

1195
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:45,040
skinner's

1196
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:48,480
uh significant other is related

1197
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,839
to george van tassel yeah i didn't know

1198
00:41:55,270 --> 00:41:53,920
it's funny these circles get smaller and

1199
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,280
smaller as you start like

1200
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,520
like much like the integration but go on

1201
00:42:02,309 --> 00:41:58,400
yeah

1202
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:02,319
amazing stuff but um

1203
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:05,839
so you know i think one thing

1204
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:09,760
i have this uh rebel i have this rebel

1205
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:10,240
streak

1206
00:42:15,510 --> 00:42:13,520
that won't quit and

1207
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,520
i get really controversial sometimes so

1208
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:17,599
the point that i've burned bridges with

1209
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:19,520
people who i grew up with you know just

1210
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,400
because

1211
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:23,760
it's like i refuse to allow someone

1212
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,079
to tell me what i can and can't believe

1213
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,839
i refuse to allow someone to tell me

1214
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:28,960
what to do

1215
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:33,599
so i think i embraced my mormon heritage

1216
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:33,920
i

1217
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:35,200
embraced my mormon culture because

1218
00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:37,119
that's all i know i wasn't it wasn't

1219
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:38,960
raised navajo in the navajo culture with

1220
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:40,640
brown skin you know i'm like

1221
00:42:44,790 --> 00:42:44,000
i'm i'm a i'm a white anglo b lagano

1222
00:42:47,990 --> 00:42:44,800
what they call

1223
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,000
us white folks at the navajo and

1224
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:51,119
uh you know i i i

1225
00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:54,400
i i i know a lot about these cultures

1226
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,040
but i

1227
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,920
pretend like i don't because i i believe

1228
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,839
in having a humble heart

1229
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:01,760
where it's like the more i learn the

1230
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,520
less i know maintain that attitude

1231
00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,520
wherever i go

1232
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,280
i love that i love that that's awesome

1233
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,560
man let me write that one down

1234
00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:11,839
well you got it recorded so you can

1235
00:43:17,589 --> 00:43:14,560
definitely write it down um but anyways

1236
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,599
uh you know i i

1237
00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:19,760
i think it's kind of crazy that the

1238
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:20,880
church owns

1239
00:43:27,589 --> 00:43:24,000
or had a major stake in ancestry.com

1240
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,599
i wouldn't be surprised if the church

1241
00:43:32,710 --> 00:43:30,319
is aware of alien technology i find it

1242
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,720
really ironic that the cia's central

1243
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:34,400
intelligence agency and the defense

1244
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:36,160
intelligence agency and all these

1245
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:39,040
agencies that are not elected they're

1246
00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:40,560
unconstitutional

1247
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:42,240
you know we don't elect those agencies

1248
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:44,160
like we do our president right

1249
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,680
and they're the ones running our country

1250
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:47,440
and they happen to have a very deep

1251
00:43:51,750 --> 00:43:50,000
working relationship

1252
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,760
in the church at least in a networking

1253
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:53,440
capacity why are they out there

1254
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,599
why are they always recruiting mormon

1255
00:43:59,349 --> 00:43:56,560
young mormon

1256
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:59,359
uh college students into their ranks

1257
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,160
it's like

1258
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:01,760
makes you wonder you know and why does

1259
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,839
the church have this uncanny

1260
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:06,319
fascination with ancestry and dna it's

1261
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,599
like

1262
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,920
i don't know it makes me think of other

1263
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:11,440
religions it's not just the mormon

1264
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,079
church

1265
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:15,440
out here i think of the vatican

1266
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,079
and i think of all these other organized

1267
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:19,920
religions and western culture and it

1268
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,960
makes me wonder what's really going on

1269
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:23,920
here

1270
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,309
i i the reason why i went inactive

1271
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,720
personally is because i decided to cut

1272
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:34,240
the middleman out the ones

1273
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,240
running the shopify platform the middle

1274
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,440
guys who run

1275
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,599
most of the business you know and say we

1276
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:41,760
have to we're the ones that help you

1277
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:44,400
operate on a religious level i compare

1278
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:46,160
the more of a church to shopify

1279
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,640
why run shopify if you can go develop a

1280
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:50,000
wordpress blog

1281
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:52,560
yourself and have and cut the middleman

1282
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:53,119
out right

1283
00:44:57,190 --> 00:44:56,000
if it works better yeah some of the

1284
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:57,200
original gnostic

1285
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,280
christians right they they they taught

1286
00:45:05,190 --> 00:45:03,680
that god was a relationship between you

1287
00:45:06,790 --> 00:45:05,200
and god

1288
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:06,800
and that was what christianity was you

1289
00:45:13,109 --> 00:45:09,040
weren't supposed to have these

1290
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:13,119
these uh middle men these bishops these

1291
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,839
these uh you know these official

1292
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:18,720
churches writing

1293
00:45:21,750 --> 00:45:21,119
you know revising the bible to fit their

1294
00:45:24,710 --> 00:45:21,760
narrative

1295
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:24,720
you know even even the i'm going to say

1296
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:25,040
this

1297
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,160
and you know it's controversial but i

1298
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,839
think even when it comes to the lds

1299
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,280
church and his recent history with

1300
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:32,480
joseph smith

1301
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:36,000
there's a revisionist it's revising

1302
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,480
itself

1303
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,359
constantly and rewriting its own history

1304
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,880
the fifth narrative of the day

1305
00:45:44,829 --> 00:45:42,160
does that make sense or to be

1306
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,839
politically correct for the day

1307
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,960
and that's as far as i'm going to go

1308
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,400
down that because i don't i'm not trying

1309
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:49,920
to bag on the church here right

1310
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:51,920
no not at all not at all but yeah i

1311
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,240
agree with you yeah

1312
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:55,839
i love the church listen i love the

1313
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,400
church i identify as mormon i'm still a

1314
00:46:01,750 --> 00:46:00,160
member of the church but i'm inactive

1315
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,760
and i'm very comfortable

1316
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:03,440
not leaving the church and sitting on

1317
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,880
the fence you know why

1318
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,520
because i have both sides pushed i have

1319
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:08,880
the pro-mormons

1320
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,359
you know the proactive mormons that want

1321
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:13,359
to drag me back into it and then i have

1322
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:15,119
the non-mormons that are

1323
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,079
saying it's like it's like being drugged

1324
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:19,760
down and drowned in the depths of the

1325
00:46:23,430 --> 00:46:21,200
ocean you know

1326
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:23,440
being you know i have no freedom i've

1327
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,720
got these chains

1328
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,160
and they're telling me to cut the chains

1329
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:28,079
and you know what i tell people

1330
00:46:34,230 --> 00:46:31,599
i say for a learning experience

1331
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:34,240
for an experiential learning experience

1332
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:37,839
i think it's the harder higher path

1333
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:40,000
is is allowing that tug of war to

1334
00:46:44,550 --> 00:46:42,240
constantly pull me both ways

1335
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:44,560
when i identify culturally as a mormon

1336
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,119
because i feel like i have a very unique

1337
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:48,560
perspective

1338
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,680
of that religion with these ufo

1339
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:53,520
experiences i think me and uh

1340
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,640
travis walton in so many ways are on the

1341
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,599
same wavelength because travis

1342
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,160
had his experience where he was taken on

1343
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,079
board a craft

1344
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,680
and he has an experience that he can

1345
00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:07,520
never unravel

1346
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:09,599
and all these witnesses that saw him get

1347
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:11,520
taken

1348
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:19,920
and i would like to see skeptics

1349
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,760
continue to try and explain that that

1350
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:23,440
evidence away that's involved with that

1351
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:24,240
case

1352
00:47:31,109 --> 00:47:29,520
it's like travis is the real deal to me

1353
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,119
and can i tell you guys something about

1354
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:33,200
travis we have enough time yeah for sure

1355
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:34,800
yeah we do

1356
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,640
okay so for those who don't know

1357
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:41,520
travis walton is the ufo case that

1358
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:43,599
inspired the major motion picture

1359
00:47:48,309 --> 00:47:46,800
uh fire in the sky now hollywood got his

1360
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:48,319
actual story wrong

1361
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:49,839
but let's not go down that rabbit hole

1362
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:51,599
because a lot of people know about that

1363
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,160
story

1364
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:54,000
they can look it up they can google it

1365
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:56,000
travis wall in the travis walton

1366
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,200
incident what i know for a fact

1367
00:48:03,190 --> 00:48:01,920
and this is a personal testament to who

1368
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,200
travis is

1369
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,319
and what his integrity is okay he is a

1370
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:07,920
man of integrity

1371
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:11,520
he is a man that blows my mind i he came

1372
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,000
to our

1373
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,040
festival in 2016 free

1374
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,319
on his own dime he comes up there

1375
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:21,760
to support the cause and as i got to

1376
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,240
know travis over the next few years

1377
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:26,000
meeting him at various conferences we

1378
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:27,680
became really good friends and i became

1379
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:28,720
good friends with his

1380
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:32,640
son luke and

1381
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:34,720
this is this is going to be a testimony

1382
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,440
of both luke and travis okay

1383
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:40,079
in 2000 i believe it was the most recent

1384
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:40,480
one

1385
00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,240
the 2019 festival which you were at ryan

1386
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:47,680
i was scheduled to go help ben henson

1387
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,000
the guy

1388
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:50,000
who runs the tv show fact or fake you

1389
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,359
know he's a good friend of mine

1390
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:55,359
ben hanson invited me to go out to

1391
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:57,359
contact in the desert

1392
00:49:01,589 --> 00:48:59,760
in california and he asked me to come

1393
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:01,599
help him at his table you know help a

1394
00:49:03,990 --> 00:49:02,400
man his table

1395
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:04,000
dude he sells night vision and does

1396
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:05,520
these sky watches

1397
00:49:12,069 --> 00:49:09,520
at ufo conferences and we had

1398
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:12,079
wrapped up our utah ufo festival i had

1399
00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:13,040
ran

1400
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:16,319
i i i had gone out to rachel nevada

1401
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:18,800
on the area 51 caravan that our festival

1402
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:21,119
does every time we do a festival

1403
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:24,880
and travis wanted to ride with me

1404
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:28,079
in my vehicle and steve pierce came

1405
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,280
along

1406
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,720
on that trip uh you know

1407
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,319
me and steve are not boozing buddies

1408
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,319
right now because i

1409
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:38,960
i confronted steve and we butted heads

1410
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,520
especially

1411
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,599
he it was he was it was bad blood out of

1412
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,040
a little alien between me and steve

1413
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:44,400
let's just put it that way

1414
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:49,280
um but here in steve's defense

1415
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:53,280
uh steve and travis the way they argued

1416
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:56,000
with each other the way he trolled the

1417
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,720
travis

1418
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,359
on that journey out there they're not

1419
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,880
boozing buddies they never were booze

1420
00:50:04,950 --> 00:50:01,920
and buddies in fact

1421
00:50:07,750 --> 00:50:04,960
if the ufo incident

1422
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:07,760
the travis wallinson hadn't happened

1423
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:08,800
those guys would

1424
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,240
have parted ways long ago

1425
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,040
okay but because they are tied to an

1426
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:16,240
otherworldly

1427
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:19,599
unknown mystery that affected both

1428
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:23,680
their lives they still

1429
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:26,800
are drawn to each other's path

1430
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:29,839
because of the

1431
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,720
that incident okay and i got to listen

1432
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:34,559
to that all the way out to rachel and

1433
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,200
back that

1434
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,510
they didn't have a camera crew they

1435
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:43,359
didn't have a film crew

1436
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:46,319
documenting their accounts it was just

1437
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:47,599
off the record

1438
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:51,520
off the cuff natural and it blew my mind

1439
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:52,960
the details

1440
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,960
that they were talking to each other

1441
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:57,119
about going out there and back

1442
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,960
i got back to cedar city and by the time

1443
00:51:04,630 --> 00:51:01,599
we got into cedar city my wheel bearing

1444
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,640
on my vehicle was going out

1445
00:51:07,510 --> 00:51:06,000
you know what that meant it meant i

1446
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,520
wasn't going to be able to get contact

1447
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:10,000
in the desert in california

1448
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,359
but i was supposed to go out there and

1449
00:51:15,589 --> 00:51:14,079
help ben henson and guess who else is

1450
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,599
going to be out there travis walton and

1451
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:17,680
his son luke

1452
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,280
that was their next destination that's

1453
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:20,559
where i was supposed to be going i said

1454
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:22,079
it looks like i won't be going because

1455
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:24,720
my wheel bearing's out

1456
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:28,319
and you know what i remember i remember

1457
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:30,079
seeing travis on the side of the road

1458
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:32,000
holding your wheel bearing man

1459
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:35,440
i totally remember yeah i remember

1460
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,440
travis the look in travis and luke's

1461
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,119
eyes when they realized

1462
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,920
uh they didn't want you know deep down

1463
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:43,359
you could tell they didn't want to help

1464
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:44,319
me on this

1465
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,760
because it's a lot of work like oh no

1466
00:51:50,790 --> 00:51:49,599
nate's in a between a rock and a hard

1467
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:50,800
place and he's not going to be able to

1468
00:51:54,390 --> 00:51:52,079
get through it if we don't help him and

1469
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,400
i wasn't asking him for help

1470
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,359
but travis stepped up to the plate and

1471
00:52:03,430 --> 00:51:59,040
they had the tools right there

1472
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:03,440
at the hotel and it was amazing to watch

1473
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:06,559
luke and travis go to work and

1474
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,359
installing

1475
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:08,960
a new wheel bearing they had to pack the

1476
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,359
bearings and it was more difficult than

1477
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:12,720
they anticipated because it was a

1478
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:15,280
japanese-made suzuki right

1479
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:18,800
and and so it was about a three-hour job

1480
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:21,280
that morning that next morning

1481
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,920
and they were they were wanting to be on

1482
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,000
the road earlier that morning right

1483
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:28,079
so they had ended up fixing the car

1484
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,079
there in the parking lot

1485
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:33,119
uh and we ended up going to lunch

1486
00:52:36,390 --> 00:52:34,880
afterwards and i had gotten

1487
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:36,400
i had gone over the bank and got a

1488
00:52:38,549 --> 00:52:37,839
couple hundred dollars out of the bank i

1489
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,559
was going to pay

1490
00:52:42,549 --> 00:52:41,119
travis for the work that they had put

1491
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,559
into the vehicle it's like

1492
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:45,200
that's the least i could do to give them

1493
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,000
some gas money

1494
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,480
or something and i really wanted to give

1495
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:49,760
them something even though i didn't have

1496
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:50,640
a whole lot because

1497
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:51,599
i was in the hole because of the

1498
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:53,839
festival this wasn't from the non-profit

1499
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,599
either this was just my personal

1500
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:58,240
funds and we go over to wendy's and i

1501
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,760
was going to give the money at wendy's

1502
00:53:03,510 --> 00:53:00,880
and we're sitting there eating

1503
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,520
lunch and i give the money to travis and

1504
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,359
he won't even take it he put his hand up

1505
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,920
like this and he stopped me

1506
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:10,559
he's like i don't want your money i was

1507
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:11,200
like

1508
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:12,720
but you guys just helped me install a

1509
00:53:17,030 --> 00:53:14,400
wheel bearing on my vehicle is you don't

1510
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:17,040
have to give me any money for that

1511
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:19,280
i just wanted i wanted to help you i

1512
00:53:25,349 --> 00:53:21,440
wanted to help the cause

1513
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:25,359
and to me that was just

1514
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:26,800
both of the sudden there was no chitter

1515
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:28,480
chatting about what they should do they

1516
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:32,000
were both like of the same

1517
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:35,599
fabric and they both refused

1518
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:39,359
to take the money from me for sure

1519
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,599
and that's the thing about travis just

1520
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:42,720
that in an

1521
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:44,880
unconditional compassion much like

1522
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,920
yourself

1523
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,640
it's like i i when i saw him standing on

1524
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,319
the side of i already knew like kind of

1525
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,680
like what was going down

1526
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:53,200
and i remember pulling over and you were

1527
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:55,359
like nah man these guys are already

1528
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:58,960
i was like oh my gosh but i am so glad

1529
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:00,640
that you know you said you said that

1530
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:02,240
story because yeah he's a man of his

1531
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,040
word

1532
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,640
his story is a hundred percent true

1533
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:06,640
there's no way around it people that try

1534
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:07,920
to bad mouth this story

1535
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:09,440
are just the type of people that try to

1536
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,520
bad-mouth anything and

1537
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,920
i can't thank you enough man wrapping up

1538
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,440
um

1539
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,520
gosh you know it's been such an honor to

1540
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:19,119
talk to you and have you on for this

1541
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,160
much time what's

1542
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:22,640
uh going on with nathan and uh where can

1543
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:25,200
people follow you

1544
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,119
okay um well i'm on a different road

1545
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:31,760
since i've been down here in phoenix i

1546
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:33,359
there's a lot of stories behind that of

1547
00:54:38,390 --> 00:54:36,079
course but i i have two instagram feeds

1548
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:38,400
people can check content out on i got a

1549
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:39,599
feed for

1550
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,799
i'm growing rare tropicals and strange

1551
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,839
cacti

1552
00:54:47,270 --> 00:54:45,359
out here in the sonoran desert in

1553
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:47,280
southern arizona you can find

1554
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:49,680
that feed at nade arizona it's my

1555
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,559
smaller one i have a main photography

1556
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,760
uh feed that i follow on that i i keep

1557
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:57,520
on instagram i've been neglecting both

1558
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:58,480
feeds but

1559
00:55:02,150 --> 00:54:59,920
if we're being honest here with most

1560
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:02,160
recent content with where i put thoughts

1561
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:03,359
and images

1562
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,280
you're these are the best sources to

1563
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,440
find you know more stuff

1564
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,839
so my photography is talking underscore

1565
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:10,799
tree

1566
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,520
so those are two different feeds on

1567
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,720
instagram

1568
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:17,040
and awesome photography your photography

1569
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,480
is off the chain i love

1570
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,640
the kind of the way you capture the

1571
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,319
southwest is very unique

1572
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,480
and definitely check out his cactus feed

1573
00:55:27,349 --> 00:55:26,000
as well because i'm always blown away at

1574
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,359
how many cactus you can get in one

1575
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:29,599
picture man i'm like holy cow

1576
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,280
there's so many cactus in some of those

1577
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:33,599
pictures right on nathan

1578
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,119
yeah no go on go on

1579
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:40,000
no i said i have about 300 plants but i

1580
00:55:44,549 --> 00:55:42,640
my goal down here is to find some land

1581
00:55:47,109 --> 00:55:44,559
and have a botanical garden out in the

1582
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:47,119
sonoran desert maybe i could get a

1583
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,359
usda grant to preserve attractive

1584
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,119
sonoran desert somewhere

1585
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:54,960
i'll figure something out i'm on that

1586
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:57,040
path right now we need to chat

1587
00:56:00,870 --> 00:56:00,160
because i i was just i almost just tried

1588
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:00,880
to save

1589
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,559
20 000 uh let's see 20 000 acres of

1590
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,480
yuccas and i had to jump through all the

1591
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:08,079
hoops like you're talking about with all

1592
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:08,880
the

1593
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:15,680
man it's difficult so mad props to what

1594
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:16,720
you're doing

1595
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:19,680
um and yeah everybody check out those

1596
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,160
feeds

1597
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:22,400
uh nathan's the real deal he's not gonna

1598
00:56:27,270 --> 00:56:25,520
he's not gonna filter what he tells you

1599
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,280
no and if people contact me on there

1600
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:28,960
through direct messaging i'm not

1601
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,640
i'm not conceited or anything i'll reach

1602
00:56:34,630 --> 00:56:32,400
i'll reply to people

1603
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:34,640
because i have time you know people are

1604
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,200
curious have certain questions

1605
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:39,200
that's true man thanks so much man i

1606
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,559
can't thank you enough for being on the

1607
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:41,839
podcast and uh

1608
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:43,200
look forward to talking to you again

1609
00:56:48,390 --> 00:56:45,359
soon okay take care ryan

1610
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:48,400
take care see you later

1611
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,880
there you got it guys nathan arizona

1612
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:52,160
talking tree

1613
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,480
go to his instagram feeds and support

1614
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,160
the guy really cool cactus

1615
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:58,160
stuff going on and his photography of

1616
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:59,359
the southwest is

1617
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,200
impeccable not to mention his

1618
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,680
descriptions of the places he goes he's

1619
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:05,359
kind of like a traveling

1620
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:08,799
amazing ufo guy and uh we we share some

1621
00:57:11,829 --> 00:57:09,920
interesting uh

1622
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:11,839
experiences and i hope we get to share

1623
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:13,520
some more once this

1624
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,440
pandemic is over until next time

1625
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,400
definitely check out heroparanormal.com

1626
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:21,760
we are going to have a couple of

1627
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,319
things for sale on there spice unique

1628
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,880
bronzer all organic the only type

1629
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:30,000
of its type on the market and

1630
00:57:33,270 --> 00:57:32,000
in different shades those are like 30

1631
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:33,280
bucks a piece but they're

1632
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:36,480
sick and we are going to have

1633
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:38,400
happiness medical which is just going to

1634
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:40,000
make the

1635
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,079
lives of people with special needs a bit

1636
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:44,400
better until next time keep your eyes to

1637
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:45,200
the skies

1638
00:57:54,010 --> 00:57:47,599
feet on the ground but don't forget to

1639
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:54,020
take a look around

1640
00:58:06,789 --> 00:58:03,750
come blast off in my time machine third

1641
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:06,799
eye feeling like an evil

1642
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:10,960
blast off blast off blast off

1643
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:13,839
come blast off in my time machine third

1644
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,520
eye feeling like a knee vice

1645
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,200
blast off blast off blast off

1646
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:22,400
blast off come blast off in my time

1647
00:58:27,830 --> 00:58:23,359
machine

1648
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:34,829
[Music]

1649
00:59:00,010 --> 00:58:36,790
pasta